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At Last From Our Owner !; Bruce decision in 10 days (merged thread
Topic Started: Apr 30 2006, 09:21 PM (2,949 Views)
Blues4ever
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Come on David Sullivan, stand back, take a look at whats happening, and for gods sake come out and say something! Before David Gold loses the plot completely! :(
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PartisanBCFC
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Maybe he's already at the Stock Exchange waiting for the trading bell to ring
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DEdblue
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I agree 100% time he got rid of Steve with a big thankyou and got in someone who can get us straight back, not to sure Brucie can.
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DEdblue
Apr 30 2006, 09:26 PM
I agree 100% time he got rid of Steve with a big thankyou and got in someone who can get us straight back, not to sure Brucie can.

im more worried about been relegated from the championship and yes i am been serious.
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Albert T
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Me too and until somebody actually realises this and shows up some leadership, vision and imagination League 1 is exactly where we're headed.
If the club don't heed the wake-up call we've had we'll sleepwalk our way back into the lower leagues again.
Somebody needs to shake this club out of its complacency and arrogance.

But don't expect that person to be Sullivan, he's very good at making a lot of noise but hopeless at actually doing anything very much about it.

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Apr 30 2006, 11:52 PM

But don't expect that person to be Sullivan, he's very good at making a lot of noise but hopeless at actually doing anything very much about it.

i agree. old pint-size is all talk!

i really think that he will soon be out of here, that's why we are seeing more of Gold on tv than no-show Sully!

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Albert T
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I agree with that as well. I've wondered all along if the root cause of this seasons' fiasco hasn't been the clamour of Sullivan and/or the Golds looking for a way out.
After all why spend money on a failing team or waste compensation on an inept manager if you're only aim is to get out with your investment intact and not spending anymore money.
If there is something afoot behind the scenes then it needs to be sorted out quickly whatever way so that the club can be properly led from the top downwards and by doing so enable it to move forwards again.
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Wrong...wrong...wrong.....

They could have made more money in a Post Office Savings Account than by investing in Blues.

If they sell now, they would only get back their loans. The way they claim every bit of petrol and avaiation fuel on attending a match shows that they are not that simple. They will sell when we are a top six/top ten side...on a regular basis, with structure and feed through in place. Then they will get a return on their money.

The Bruce problem is one of arrogance. They have no alternative but to play the loyalty card, hoping to gain some credibility from the press ( which they haven't got, because the press are now seeing Bruce as a bumbler and an incompetant)................. they are too scared to admit their mistake, so are making it worse by digging Bruce in even further.

It will show in how much parachute money they use and how the next series of "support us or we kill blues" begging letters are phrased. That will show their intent.

Personally, I think the club could be better handled by other people. Even Ellis.

Well.....almost..... :lol:
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honkybluenose
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The most encouraging thing that Sullivan said was one way or other the management situation will be clarified by a week on Tuesday.

I hope this is true as the worst thing for the club is if some uncertaincy lingers on over the summer.

To the board I say whoever is the manager please back him properly. This not only means keeping the players from the existing squad that he wants but providing reasonable funds for the new faces that are required.

To the fans I say back him whoever he is and stop the bickering.
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PartisanBCFC
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From the Guardian...owner David Sullivan FINALLY speaks out about our relegation from the Premiership and a decision about Steve Bruce within 10 days after they sit down and talk after the Bolton game

But FFS ....read what the guy says
""We want Steve to stay and we will ask him if he has the energy to for the job ""
Well,Bruce has often stated he wants the chance to bring the club back so what was the point of that statement ??

And Mr Sullivan,YOU were not the ONLY one to see the writing was on the wall back in October.....more than HALF the fans could see it

And more then HALF the fans want Bruce out.........come on,make the decision that will carry the club forward again

http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Repor...1764862,00.html

BRUCE OUT
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Lucky
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well well,interesting reading,
if i was an old cynic i would be thinking the board would not mind paying out some compo now ,i guess its much less than last week,
an interesting 2 weeks in store,
at least you dont get the same old rubbish that david gold spouts.
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zambo
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Time and time again they have backed Bruce, and said that he would stay relegation or not. So they are going to look charlies now if they ditch him
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valleyblue
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Partisan - wish you'd have posted the rest of the article - Seems DS is not a happy man - not sorry about what he said earlier and has not been happy for a while.

Golds comment re-inforces the opinion that he has a poor understanding of football matters.

I think DS is closer to the fans than many of us realise and would given a totally free hand have taken action long ago but has been stopped by the Golds.

Quote from Guardian article
The only way Bruce can take the money is if it is offered to him, which suggests the Birmingham board are ready to exploit a two-way clause in his contract that would allow them to release the manager from the remaining three years of his deal without having to pay a significant financial settlement.

Bruce had stood to benefit from the agreement were there to be interest from another Premiership club, though the days of Newcastle coveting his services have long gone. When pushed on his position Bruce said he would not consider resigning and "would love the opportunity [to take Birmingham back to the Premiership]".

All season David Gold has promised that Bruce would be given that chance in the event of relegation but there was uncertainty in the chairman's voice as he trudged away from St Andrew's on Saturday. "I hope Steve will be here next year," said Gold. "You never know. I thought Terry Cooper would be our manager when I shook his hand one day."

It was pointed out to Bruce last week that he need not fear for his future because of Gold's assurances hitherto, although the Birmingham manager quickly responded that the chairman accounted for only "half" of the decision-making process at St Andrew's. That might be the case in principle but Bruce is acutely aware that, in practice, Sullivan calls the shots and, more often than not, fires from the hip. His scathing attack in the wake of Birmingham's 7-0 defeat to Liverpool last month bruised a few egos, including Bruce's.

The Birmingham manager strongly criticised the outburst but even now Sullivan refuses to accept he was wrong. "My one regret is that I didn't speak out sooner," said Sullivan. "I wish I'd done it a month earlier. I know the team felt I shouldn't have done it publicly but I felt it had to be done publicly because it needed to have an impact on the team. And I do think it did have an impact. They played an awful lot better since the Liverpool game but unfortunately it's too little, too late."

The same went for Saturday. It was the 90th minute before Birmingham, desperate to score because of Portsmouth's lead at Wigan, breached the Newcastle defence and then Mikael Forssell shot straight at the legs of Shay Given. At the opposite end Michael Owen, whose return from injury came at a price, was closest to giving the visitors the lead but his header from close range, like Birmingham's stay in the Premiership, was over. It was no surprise to Sullivan, whose worst fears had been realised.

"All I can say is that I saw it coming," he said. "It's sad to say but I said right back in October, and everyone thought I was mad, that every alarm bell was ringing. Unfortunately the team didn't wake up until the Chelsea game [last month].

"No one else saw it coming and I think if they had done, then they'd have done something about it. There was too much complacency and overconfidence. Had they realised earlier that we had a serious problem, then we might have got out of it. I feel very let down."
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PartisanBCFC
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May 1 2006, 06:16 AM
well well,interesting reading,
if i was an old cynic i would be thinking the board would not mind paying out some compo now ,i guess its much less than last week,
an interesting 2 weeks in store,
at least you dont get the same old rubbish that david gold spouts.

Yes,tuggy
It was certainly an interesting article and a typical one from ANYONE who holds down a position of any real power
What is Sullivan really trying to say here ???

Pay Off Bruce ??
He (Mr Sullivan) saw the problems in October but failed to do anything about it in the January Transfer Window .........well,500K spent on a former fork lift driver was money well spent wasn't it ??? .........and have you noticed Martin Latka has NOT been selected even in the 16 for six weeks now......you have to symapthise with Sullivan....would you keep giving your 5 year old kid five pound notes to light the campfire with ?? Sullivan knew in his heart Bruce had lost the plot,thus no funds were made available and the rest of the season was "Pray to God" time and hope the injuries clear up in time

I have the feeling Sullivan is starting to finally see the viewpoint of most of the club's supporters........whom even he knows are the LIFEBLOOD of any football club

And at least it was a 'positive' that Sullivan is the one who appears to 'pull the shots'....I only hope so........David Gold needs to wake up and get a huge pot of COFFEE brewing

BRUCE OUT CAMPAIGN ..............10 days and counting
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zambo
May 1 2006, 07:21 AM
Time and time again they have backed Bruce, and said that he would stay relegation or not. So they are going to look charlies now if they ditch him

Zam, I see it this way, while we had a chance of staying up it would have been disruptive to say he will be sacked, now we have gone down it matters not a jot so as i see it. it could be down to negotiating a pay off. as KB said on the Tom Ross show.
"lessons have been learn't and the same mistakes will not be made again"

wait and see time i guess.
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zambo
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May 1 2006, 07:25 AM

"No one else saw it coming and I think if they had done, then they'd have done something about it. There was too much complacency and overconfidence. Had they realised earlier that we had a serious problem, then we might have got out of it. I feel very let down."

In Sullivan's position, if he felt that way, then it was his duty to get hold of people by the scruff of the neck and make it happen. The buck stops at the very top at the end of the day, so Sullivan must accept his share of the blame. It's no good saying now that he saw it coming if he didn't rattle a few cages back then
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May 1 2006, 07:29 AM
zambo
May 1 2006, 07:21 AM
Time and time again they have backed Bruce, and said that he would stay relegation or not. So they are going to look charlies now if they ditch him

Zam, I see it this way, while we had a chance of staying up it would have been disruptive to say he will be sacked, now we have gone down it matters not a jot so as i see it. it could be down to negotiating a pay off. as KB said on the Tom Ross show.
"lessons have been learn't and the same mistakes will not be made again"

wait and see time i guess.

You could be right Willie. I hope so
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agreed ,
i manage people and one of my things is to nip things in the bud,
sully should have said something back in october exactly when fans on here were getting restless,i dont go along with the good cop bad cop theory,with that you usually fall in the middle,
when the problem arises ,get it sorted ,you will ruffle feathers but that then shows who is a leader or not.
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Sam Jordan
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it hit me around xmas, had hoped that things would pick up, this ds report does show hope that he is thinking of doing something about it this time, lets hope so.... commercial dept changes as well, :-) (one can hope!)
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I would interpret Sullivan's comments as an indirect sleight towards the Chairman and his fellow owner.

It has to be said that for years many of us have felt uncomfortable with his tone and the language he has used, but whether we like it or not it was HIM that looked at buying this club first of all and then asked the Golds to follow him.

What is required at this club is a ruthless overhaul, and that needs to begin with David Sullivan renewing his commitment and negotiating SOLE ownership for himself.

Karren Brady should then be installed as Chairman and CEO, she has been the best thing at the club for many years and deserves a greater role.

The manager should then be removed and his wastrels dispatched without delay.

If David Sullivan is not prepared to do this then he should walk away and sell his holding, but NOT to the Golds.

They may all be the best of buddies, but Sullivan should realise that David Gold's involvement at this club has been counter-productive.

David Gold should now ask himself whether or not he has been an effective Chairman. My view is that he has not.

Change is urgently required NOW and not after the Bolton game.


BRUCE OUT CAMPAIGN


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May 1 2006, 06:38 AM
agreed ,
i manage people and one of my things is to nip things in the bud,
sully should have said something back in october exactly when fans on here were getting restless,i dont go along with the good cop bad cop theory,with that you usually fall in the middle,
when the problem arises ,get it sorted ,you will ruffle feathers but that then shows who is a leader or not.

Spot on Tuggy - I feel that maybe (just maybe) DS is a little fed up of Golds peace making and is preparing for action. Not before time I might add
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I must admit I liked this statement


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"""It was pointed out to Bruce last week that he need not fear for his future because of Gold's assurances hitherto, although the Birmingham manager quickly responded that the chairman accounted for only "half" of the decision-making process at St Andrew's. That might be the case in principle but Bruce is acutely aware that, in practice, Sullivan calls the shots and, more often than not, fires from the hip. His scathing attack in the wake of Birmingham's 7-0 defeat to Liverpool last month bruised a few egos, including Bruce's. """"

Agree with David Kelly....hope Sullivan can regain TOTAL control and make KB the chairlady...........that's chairlady .....NOT the char lady

I'll get me coat :blink: :blink:
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This has cheered me up a bit, at least we know DS hasn't got his head in the clouds, come on DS, DO SOMETHING PLEASE.
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May 1 2006, 06:55 AM
This has cheered me up a bit, at least we know DS hasn't got his head in the clouds, come on DS, DO SOMETHING PLEASE.

If Sullivan 'saw it coming' why didn't he and the Golds do something then? ie sack Bruce before it was too late, or spend money in the January window like Portsmouth did?
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May 1 2006, 10:48 AM
If Sullivan 'saw it coming' why didn't he and the Golds do something then?

Question to Sullivan. If one of your managers in Sport Newspapers did such as inept and awful job as Steve Bruce, would he still be employed with you?
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